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in the 1930s president franklin delano

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roosevelt addressed the nation through a

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series of radio broadcasts known as the

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well we're far from 1930 and i deal with

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for a new era of worldly frustration we

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offer a fresh conversation i'm greg

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carlwood

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and these are the higher side chats

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all right higher sight chatters how's it

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going out there riding the waves of the

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vast and choppy conspiracy from sunny

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san diego i'm greg carlwood

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and long time listeners know we have

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spent a lot of time talking about health

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consciousness magic manifestation

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multi-dimensional entities mind control

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cultural manipulation geopolitics

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spirituality power

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corruption and many other things that

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make up the construct of our carefully

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but we don't focus too often on evil by

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it's certainly in the mix of our

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conversations but some might find it

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curious how rarely society tackles the

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notion of evil head on

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which didn't always seem to be true

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maybe it's social engineering

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widespread neglect or straight up denial

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slowly over time the foresight to keep a

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spotlight shined on evil has slowly

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faded away to the point that people have

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forgotten how to even identify it or if

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it's really even there

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it's this ambiguity and even widespread

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apathy that seems a bit out of place in

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the human experience but it's not

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arbitrary

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because as we know the greatest trick

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the devil ever pulled was to convince

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the world he didn't exist

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well here to reintroduce us is my friend

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and yours the great alex zakirus as he's

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written a new book entitled why

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evil matters how science and religion

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fumbled the big one

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many of you know alex from the skeptico

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podcast where he focuses on the

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exploration of consciousness and

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regularly points out that if a

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scientific discipline and its gaggle of

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academics refuse to fold in the

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existence of consciousness into their

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how valuable is their work some would

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say it's half-baked at least and now the

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same can be said about the ignorance of

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evil in a lot of these same areas

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i don't think this is going to be one

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for the faint of heart but let's do the

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damn thing one of my favorite

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confrontational podcasters the socal

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king of consciousness convos the man

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ben the knee people alex my man great to

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have you back

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oh greg the show me state's favorite

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ah oh i like it so great to be back in

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your company man and

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and those introductions i'm like hell

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yes he's right he's right he's like yeah

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that's what i was trying to say

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i think you said it better than i did ah

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too kind

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but it is a real pleasure man you've

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been a great friend and colleague and we

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got a lot to catch up on

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i'm excited to see where this goes but

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let's kick it off with the obvious first

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as to what this new book is about why

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this topic what's the elevator pitch for

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why evil matters i mean it's sincerely

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when i say

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i really couldn't have done it better

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than you did because you captured

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the subtlety of it that i gotta say 80

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percent of people miss right at the

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beginning they come right out of the

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gate and they go

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is this evil well what about this and

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you're not kind

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and it's like this isn't a book about

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what is evil or what

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you know is this more evil than

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something else is it more evil to

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drone strike a wedding party

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in yemen versus the evil pandemic

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it's a question of you know why looking

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through that lens

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might be a necessary first step and

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just as you perfectly said why aren't we

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doing that you know because

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as you alluded to we used to be kind of

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asking the question the initial question

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year the conversations i've been trying

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look i'm convinced the guest is usually

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convinced the audience is convinced

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but we need to increase our numbers in

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terms of people who think there might be

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something fishy going on here

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and when you reverse engineer that all

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the way down

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to the beginning it's like the issue is

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that many of our friends and family

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don't think that people in positions of

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power could have anything but good

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intentions

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and so they aren't even putting evil or

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nefariousness

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on the radar and if you can't do that

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you'll never

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wake up to what's really going on out

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there that is

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perfectly put and i don't think

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i realized that when i started this

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project down the

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evil path but it really did become clear

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in the last year with the pandemic

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because it's very very subtle what

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and it's this divide between science

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who we just kind of go along with the

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idea that well they don't have any

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stake in the evil game to begin with

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because they don't believe it could

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possibly exist

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so we'll just let them march along on

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their own

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well hold up now wait a minute if

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evil does exist if evil

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in this extended fabric of consciousness

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that we know exists out there

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then why would we give them a pass why

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just a priori assume that science

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it doesn't we shouldn't even hold them

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accountable for analyzing or evaluating

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whether any of that is at play let alone

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as you're going next level and saying

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could their motives possibly be

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something that we would characterize as

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nefarious evil not so good

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a lot of the guests i've interviewed

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they've been talking about

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dumbing us down for years and part of

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is making us ignorant of all sorts of

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things and having this big blind spot

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for evil

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and whether you go to the rockefellers

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the rothschilds bill gates

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these people put a lot of money into

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managing

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their pr and their reputation and i

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don't know that

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truly altruistic people need to even do

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that so

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that's just another red flag but it is a

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great book

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that weaves through your own thoughts as

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well as the insights of many of your

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it's something that i've been trying to

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work on myself actually so

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to read it it's great to see something

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in that kind of format

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and it really explores some interesting

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ideas but i guess when it comes to

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the guests that made it into the book

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what do you think surprised you most

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about their

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reactions or responses

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when you'd bring up the notion of evil

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in these conversations

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well you know it kind of came about

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almost the other way greg where i kept

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bumping into it

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and then i kind of caught on what was

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you know i start out in the book with an

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interview that i actually did a couple

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years ago

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and it isn't exactly where i was going

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but was with an fbi guy

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a guy who was an undercover fbi agent

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for like 20 years and he was telling me

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his story about nambla remember namla

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from south park you know

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right because he was on the namla case

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and the first thing he said is you know

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you think

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undercover is what everybody

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in the fbi does and goes actually it's

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not like that because only a small group

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of people

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can really do the whole thing of totally

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getting in character and totally

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winning the confidence of these people

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he said so when somebody came in and

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said

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hey we have a new case and it's really

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weird there are only a few people to

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choose from

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and i was one of the people who got

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chosen so this is a guy who's done

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drug smuggling gangs all sorts of crazy

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things in his career

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and next up for him is he's meeting with

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these group of really creepy mostly

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middle-aged men

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who are interested in having sex with

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little boys

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little girls sometimes but a lot of

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little boys

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and the story he tells is going to

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one of their field trips to times square

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new york city back when

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times square was really time square

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before everything happened

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but they used to have a big toys r us

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there

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inside the store

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it was like 20 feet 30 feet high and he

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was standing there

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mulling around with all these men these

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nambla guys

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in nambla for people who don't know you

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know we just made that passing reference

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to south park is the north american man

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boy love association

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so they kind of created this political

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front for pedophiles

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to make it sound like oh we're trying to

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advance this politically

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and he says you know that at no time

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were these people at all

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interested in any political agenda they

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just wanted to get together

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and rape and not only rape but they

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wanted to hurt these little kids

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and back to times square he said he was

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standing there

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in the store and these men are looking

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over the rail and they're looking at the

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parents

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but they're looking at these kids and

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they're talking about what they want to

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do to these kids

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and it's not just about sex it's about

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violence

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and how they want to hurt him and he

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says alex

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if i wasn't undercover i would have

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thrown those guys

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i would have tossed them over that

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20-foot rail and

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enjoyed watching their head smash on the

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ground

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so two things one i think a lot of us

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can relate

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to that feeling that we get when we feel

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like

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that's going to be inflicted on somebody

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especially somebody as

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helpless as a six or seven year old

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child but what it also brought into

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focus for me

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and this is what i asked them about i

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asked them about the evil question

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because it almost like snaps us

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out of that i don't know just kind of

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lull that you were talking about at the

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beginning of the show

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where you go no that's freaking evil

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that is freaking

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evil there don't tell me about you know

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sexual preference or

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that is evil what they wanted to do was

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evil

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and then as soon as you grab hold of

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yourself you go

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okay if i know in my gut

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that that's evil well what does that

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mean

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isn't just this

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evil is a social construct evil is

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whatever anyone says it is

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it's like no man no there's something

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else

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to it and that story to me

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kind of helps kind of jump me into that

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in a way kind of shake me out of the fog

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what do you think do you know what i

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mean yeah absolutely i think that

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we are at a point and this comes up in

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the book as well that

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we're trying to justify everything with

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science like you

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say about sexual preference or it's a

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mental condition

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it's like well sometimes it is just evil

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and

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this is kind of how the devil slips in

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you know just

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so to speak because if you're in denial

401
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you don't really recognize what's going

402
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on and it's this justification

403
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which is always it is through science

404
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which is kind of the weird thing about

405
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it like we're looking for a scientific

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explanation

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because we have removed spirituality

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from the world

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at large so it's got to have some

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explanation and we just can't fathom it

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instead of just

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pinning evil for evil we try to

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do all these mental gymnastics to find a

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scientific explanation that then i don't

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know what they want to do at that point

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just

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strange but

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we used to have our guard up a lot more

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against evil and we used to be more

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vigilant

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and i think it's probably time to return

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to that

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well you said a couple of things there

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that i think are really interesting that

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i want to return to

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is the last thing you said about having

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our guard up

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i hadn't really thought of that but that

429
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definitely has to be in play

430
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here right because when i was

431
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flip-flopping back and forth between

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why is science so whack about this why

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can't they

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figure out at least the most obvious of

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it and

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maybe we'll talk about that in a minute

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with the

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guy from ohio state university who isn't

439
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sure

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about whether the evil he's encountered

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is really evil

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but you know back to kind of flipping

443
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back and forth about that

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you go well what could be the agenda

445
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and i think one of the agenda items is

446
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exactly as you just put it

447
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in that it kind of lets your guard down

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because

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if evil is merely a social construct

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merely something that well we all agree

451
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on and the drone strikes

452
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in yemen hey you know it's kind of gray

453
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because maybe those yemenis guys were

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really

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terrorists and maybe they were going to

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kill thousands so

457
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yeah i guess everything is kind of gray

458
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and it really takes like we're just

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talking about you have to kind of

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then realize the implications that

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scientifically which is the connection

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you made which i think is so great and

463
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what i'm all about is to say what are

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the philosophical

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and scientific implications of

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saying that evil is merely a social

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construct

468
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what it gets back to is saying well

469
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really

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bad on any kind of scale and you know

471
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what like greg

472
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you've been down this path so long and

473
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i've heard you so many times on the show

474
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you know you're way past the

475
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materialistic science

476
00:16:46,389 --> 00:16:42,880
but i would throw that out as hey

477
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that is a legitimate question right

478
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but the problem is the question has been

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answered

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and it's not true you know scientific

481
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materialism

482
00:17:01,030 --> 00:16:57,680
fails consciousness is real

483
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extended consciousness is real so

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we have to bring back on the table this

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whole thing of

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is there a moral imperative could there

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be

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an evil

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and that's really without going too far

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just to get to that point would be a

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huge step forward because we're not

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there

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yes i agree it does heavily relate to

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the question of is there meaning in the

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universe and i know that you've had your

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frustrations with

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grant cameron's perspective as well as i

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have which is that

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well it's all consciousness man it's

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just all happening in the spectrum

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it's like okay maybe at a higher level

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ultimately that's true but it's really

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not

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helpful for understanding

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the motives of these interactions with

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non-human intelligences

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it just doesn't really tell us anything

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so

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people just in ufology as an example

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that

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we're trying to get a handle on should

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we be interacting with some of the stuff

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we're interacting with

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and they just keep bringing it back to

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it's all consciousness and if you can

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recognize evil you realize well

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you can't ration with it you're not

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going to reason with

519
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it it's just just you should ostracize

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it from

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yourself and the people you care about

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and there should be more vigilance about

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protection but i didn't want to switch

524
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gears on you too much but

525
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this is also interesting because you're

526
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always having this question about

527
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consciousness

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with the scientific community you're

529
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still it's in the book and in the show

530
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that you still have to

531
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have this consciousness conversation and

532
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there in some cases in denial or maybe

533
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even

534
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outward rebellion against the idea of

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consciousness being real and it does

536
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make you wonder about the value of their

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academic work when they won't fold in

538
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consciousness at all

539
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well let's apply that to what's gone on

540
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in the last year and a half because the

541
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way you approach this stuff has been

542
00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:01,039
really helpful for me

543
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:03,039
because i apply that same sort of

544
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thinking to medical science and that

545
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:08,400
most of these virologists or cdc medical

546
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experts

547
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i think they're largely in the

548
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materialist paradigm too

549
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and so i ask well if you still don't

550
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understand or acknowledge

551
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consciousness if you're not factoring

552
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that into what it is to be human

553
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even if you have good intentions how can

554
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i really trust your vaccine you don't

555
00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:25,679
even understand

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the human ecosystem really

557
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well that's a big big big point it's a

558
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great point

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and you've kind of brought the whole

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world into

561
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one little focal point which i think is

562
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awesome and that is

563
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yeah i would almost return it back to

564
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the question of evil because that's

565
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where i thought you were

566
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:47,679
you were going but i think we can get to

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the same place because

568
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what i've developed over the course of

569
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doing this and i

570
00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:56,000
certainly didn't see this at the

571
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beginning but

572
00:20:01,750 --> 00:20:00,240
kind of as you were alluding to the

573
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:01,760
whole evil thing now

574
00:20:06,149 --> 00:20:04,960
is almost like a litmus test like you

575
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:06,159
were talking about grant

576
00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:09,120
cameron who i have a lot of respect for

577
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:11,039
but in general people in the ufo

578
00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:12,159
community

579
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:14,080
when they can't wrap their heads around

580
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:15,679
the possibility

581
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:18,799
that these interactions with et

582
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:21,760
with non-human intelligence might be

583
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:24,159
associated with something that we would

584
00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:25,120
identify

585
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:27,520
as evil if you can't wrap your head

586
00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:28,640
around that

587
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:31,919
if you can't be willing to throw that on

588
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:32,720
the table

589
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:35,280
and say wow you know there's kind of

590
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:36,559
that's a reasonable

591
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:39,200
read of someone who's been raped

592
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:40,080
publicly

593
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:43,200
by some entity and has the physical

594
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:44,799
evidence to prove it

595
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:47,039
yeah i guess i do have to consider that

596
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:48,080
there might be an

597
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:51,520
evil there so in the same way that

598
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:54,159
that becomes a litmus test and a similar

599
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,240
litmus test for the academic

600
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:58,320
who says well of course you know i've

601
00:21:00,549 --> 00:21:00,000
been around the block i've seen a lot of

602
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:00,559
things

603
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:02,880
i don't characterize anything as quote

604
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:04,880
unquote evil because

605
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:06,799
i've just seen so many different things

606
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:10,159
again alarm bell goes off in my head

607
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:13,039
but to return it to the pandemic thing

608
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:13,760
one

609
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:16,880
thousand percent agree with you that

610
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,320
what we saw in the last year to me

611
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:22,480
is the i don't want to say the end game

612
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:24,240
because we have no idea where the end

613
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:25,360
game is going

614
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:28,480
but it is definitely a consequence of

615
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:29,200
the one

616
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:33,440
dumbing down and also the manipulation

617
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:36,720
of science and the total manipulation of

618
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:37,679
science

619
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:40,720
that does relate back to

620
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,000
exactly what you said if you are going

621
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,320
to peddle the biological robot

622
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,400
meaningless universe meme

623
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:50,559
and if you're allowed to get away with

624
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:51,679
that

625
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:54,159
then it makes it easier to get away with

626
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:54,799
almost

627
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:57,840
anything and to then do all sorts of

628
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:58,960
scientific

629
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:01,840
mandates and then when people complain

630
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:02,559
they say

631
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:05,760
quit your damn clamoring

632
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:08,799
about scientific studies and analysis

633
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:10,720
and that's i have a quote where the guy

634
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:12,559
actually says that it was about

635
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:16,320
mass science because we did a show about

636
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:19,600
how science has repeatedly

637
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:22,320
when you do the careful randomized

638
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:24,559
controlled clinical trials

639
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:28,320
all this nonsense about masks falls away

640
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:31,039
there's no significant difference in

641
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:32,159
clinical trials

642
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:34,640
of course in the laboratory you can show

643
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:35,440
that a mask

644
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:38,400
stops stuff from coming out of your face

645
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:39,440
we knew that

646
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:41,039
when we worked right when you went to

647
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:42,640
kindergarten your mom said

648
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:44,960
greg cover your face when you cup we

649
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:46,000
knew that

650
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:47,840
but what they do is then they try and

651
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,600
turn that into science

652
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:51,679
when the real science says and i'm

653
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:53,120
getting a little bit off target but it

654
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:54,159
comes back here

655
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,679
the real science as much as they've

656
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:57,280
tested it over and over again and they

657
00:23:01,990 --> 00:22:59,039
don't know exactly why

658
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:02,000
masks don't work in terms of reducing

659
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,679
the spread of the disease in the

660
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:06,000
population whatever disease that is you

661
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:06,640
know because

662
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:08,640
most of that science was done not just

663
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,240
in the last year it was done five

664
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,240
ten years ago they kept getting the same

665
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,240
result gee it doesn't lead to

666
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:16,559
a reduction in the spreading but my real

667
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:17,919
point on all that was

668
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,559
if you go look at the shows that i did

669
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,320
and the research it's like

670
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:24,720
here's a guy here's an official muckety

671
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:26,799
muck saying those exact words

672
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,000
stop clamoring about studies

673
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:32,880
he's telling us the public stop worrying

674
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:34,400
about the science

675
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:36,640
we'll tell you when to wear a mask and

676
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:39,039
damn it we'll tell you when you can stop

677
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:42,080
wearing your freaking mask that is the

678
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:42,960
end game

679
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:46,080
that i think you're pointing to if i can

680
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:48,799
fool you about consciousness if i can

681
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:51,279
fool you about meaninglessness

682
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:54,640
if i can convince you that the love you

683
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,120
feel

684
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:57,600
for your partner for your parents for

685
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:58,720
your kids

686
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,600
that that doesn't really exist that it's

687
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,600
just a trick of the mind

688
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,520
well then i'm well on my way to

689
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:07,279
convincing you

690
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:12,320
scientific study i put in front of you

691
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:15,919
um yes man that is so well said and that

692
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:17,279
is why it is so

693
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:19,520
important ignoring evil and ignoring

694
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:20,400
consciousness

695
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:23,440
or extracting them from the you know the

696
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:24,559
public mindset

697
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,159
they both have similar effects and

698
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:30,480
yeah it's like science wants to tell you

699
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:32,720
that love you feel is just chemicals

700
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,720
just chemicals doesn't mean anything and

701
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:36,720
they'd say the same about psychedelics

702
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:37,760
you know it's just

703
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:39,440
chemicals in your brain it's you're

704
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:41,120
poisoning yourself and so you have these

705
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:42,640
odd effects and it's like no

706
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:45,200
experience it and what it really is is a

707
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:46,400
peek behind the veil

708
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,640
yes and you could say the same about

709
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,480
love too love is

710
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,320
something that shows you there's meaning

711
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:54,000
in the universe and

712
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:57,200
science is this huge field that's

713
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:58,799
ripped both of those things away from

714
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:01,600
the public consciousness but it also

715
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:04,720
operates on this the ends justify the

716
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:05,360
means

717
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:08,159
kind of thing i mean think about all the

718
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:08,720
even just

719
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,600
animal torture that goes on in the name

720
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:13,200
of science that we turned

721
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,000
a complete blind eye to because well

722
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,760
ultimately it's for the greater good

723
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:19,840
well they've also tested a lot of stuff

724
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:21,520
on mental patients

725
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:25,039
people in prison kids in orphanages

726
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:28,000
kids in the third world i mean pfizer

727
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:28,400
just

728
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:31,600
lost a giant lawsuit for

729
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:35,520
damaging african boys with a vaccine

730
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:38,000
they got meningitis and they lost this

731
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:40,240
lawsuit and my mind goes to wow they

732
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:41,520
must have

733
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:45,039
been pretty clear because little boys in

734
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:47,039
a village in africa don't really have

735
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:50,080
a lot of legal resources and pfizer does

736
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:52,159
so for visor to still not be able to win

737
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:54,000
that fight

738
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:55,919
i mean that's interesting and should

739
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:58,159
they be injecting people with something

740
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:59,039
now like

741
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,840
i think the whole history of science and

742
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:03,600
medical science in particular

743
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:06,640
it's full of evil but we don't call it

744
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:07,360
that

745
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:10,080
because well they're trying to improve

746
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,200
the world it's like well

747
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:13,200
show me the fruits of that show me that

748
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:14,480
because if you're gonna say

749
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:17,360
this campaign is trying to make the

750
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,240
world better

751
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:20,960
i just don't see it yeah two things let

752
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:22,240
me jump in there with two things

753
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:25,440
one is on the meaning thing

754
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:27,919
and it took me a long time to even be

755
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:29,600
able to voice this because

756
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:31,039
they're so effective with their

757
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:33,200
messaging that for all of us even people

758
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,080
like you and i

759
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:36,400
who feel like we're kind of pushing

760
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,000
against it and were

761
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:40,640
leery and we're on guard we still let

762
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:41,520
our guard down

763
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:43,679
when they say then the universe is

764
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:44,559
meaningless

765
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,880
or that like we're saying love is really

766
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:48,960
just the chemical whatever

767
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:51,919
it is not just wrong it is completely

768
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:52,320
the

769
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,760
opposite like when you go spiritual when

770
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:57,360
you go to the great mystics and the

771
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:58,159
great thinkers

772
00:27:01,350 --> 00:27:00,320
what they say is the opposite right they

773
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:01,360
say everything

774
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:04,080
is meaningful the plant that you're

775
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:04,720
looking at

776
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:07,279
outside your window is conscious it's

777
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:08,240
meaningful

778
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:14,159
everywhere in the universe everything

779
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,559
has

780
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,960
meaning right so it's funny how they've

781
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,559
completely switched it

782
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:20,559
so usually when we have that dialogue

783
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,880
we're like well i think there might be

784
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,960
a little bit of meaning i mean i don't

785
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,960
know if you know aren't dolphins you

786
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,240
know smart of course

787
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:30,720
you know this animal isn't smart of

788
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,360
course

789
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:33,520
you know the ant that's crawling on your

790
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,039
desk isn't conscious

791
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,679
how do you know that given everything we

792
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:39,279
know why wouldn't we assume

793
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:41,919
the opposite that everything is

794
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:42,720
conscious

795
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,960
everything in some way that we don't

796
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,559
understand

797
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:49,120
everything is conscious isn't that what

798
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:51,279
the physics would suggest

799
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,360
when they do the double slit experiment

800
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,720
and they

801
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:56,799
pop that little photon beam and the

802
00:28:01,750 --> 00:27:59,200
photon beam either comes through as a

803
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:01,760
slit or a weight it seems that was the

804
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:02,960
conclusion

805
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:05,120
of the world's greatest thinkers and

806
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,080
scientists

807
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:08,720
and even einstein had to kneel down and

808
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:10,960
say yeah it looks like niels bohr is

809
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:11,679
right

810
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:14,399
consciousness is everywhere was the

811
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:15,520
conclusion

812
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:17,440
well wouldn't that switch the paradigm

813
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:18,640
where we would then

814
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:21,039
start with the basis that everything is

815
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:22,880
meaningful and then try and prove it the

816
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:24,000
other way

817
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:25,919
and you know as far as the other point

818
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:27,520
that you were making about

819
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:30,320
evil and i think this is like again i

820
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:31,919
don't think i understood this at the

821
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,279
beginning

822
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,840
when we talk about evil what we're

823
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:37,279
really talking about

824
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:40,399
is asking the question is there this

825
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:44,720
extended consciousness realm

826
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:47,279
where there's kind of some shady bad

827
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:48,960
things going on

828
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:51,919
and we all understand that like you and

829
00:29:05,510 --> 00:28:52,240
i

830
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:05,520
awesome place amen but you go the wrong

831
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,480
turn on the way out of your house and

832
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:10,480
you can find some stuff that's

833
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:13,919
very very shady and it's horrible

834
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,559
what humanity does to each other what

835
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:18,880
people do to themselves you know and

836
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,679
abuse and addiction and all those things

837
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,520
and you get in that and we've all been

838
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:25,039
there most of us

839
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:28,080
you get that crimey sense you get that

840
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:28,480
sense

841
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:31,120
there's something wrong here there's

842
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:32,640
something out of kilter

843
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:34,480
and we even have the sense a lot of

844
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:35,919
times that it's not

845
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,039
exactly on this physical plane

846
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:41,600
yes and that's the question that i think

847
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:44,399
we have to be open to

848
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:47,520
is the pfizer attorney who

849
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:50,240
prosecuted that case defended that case

850
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:51,200
whatever you push

851
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:54,080
that case in africa when he actually

852
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:55,520
went through those documents

853
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:57,919
and saw what they did to those innocent

854
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:58,799
kids

855
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:02,000
unsuspecting no money and he said well

856
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:02,399
hell

857
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,159
you know what i know this ain't right

858
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:06,399
but i got to make that mortgage payment

859
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:07,039
and

860
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:10,559
all

861
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,399
well tell just go for it was that just

862
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:16,480
somebody making a decision which it

863
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:19,039
could be or is there something you keep

864
00:30:21,909 --> 00:30:20,320
alluding to it you know

865
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:21,919
is there something on another

866
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:23,919
dimensional level that's

867
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:25,919
right in there saying hey this is my

868
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:29,039
chance now this is my time to shine

869
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,360
yes yes and it's not going to label

870
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,840
itself as evil either but i do think

871
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:35,120
there are forces

872
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:37,279
and they exist in the non-physical and

873
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:39,919
they impart themselves on the physical

874
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:40,559
by

875
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,679
acting through some sort of vessel and

876
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:45,760
that vessel is obviously a person

877
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,799
usually and i think

878
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:49,200
oftentimes people of power i've

879
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:50,080
interviewed

880
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:52,000
people who look at the world of magic

881
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:53,520
and spirits and

882
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:55,279
some of them conclude that it seems like

883
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,640
spirits are

884
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:58,559
really attracted to power and they're

885
00:31:02,070 --> 00:30:59,760
intelligent they can

886
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:02,080
tell where power is and where it isn't

887
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:04,000
and they kind of congregate around it

888
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,640
because

889
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,720
i think what they really want to do it

890
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,399
is exact influence

891
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,159
and so they're going to people who can

892
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,080
do that and

893
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:14,960
you know i just saw before we started a

894
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:15,840
little video

895
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:19,039
of you know elon musk's neurolink and

896
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:21,200
it's implanted in the brain of a monkey

897
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:23,120
and this monkey's playing pong on a

898
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:25,279
screen with just its mind

899
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:28,159
and a lot of people love elon musk he's

900
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:30,240
a cool guy and they get into the whole

901
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:32,000
razzle dazzle an allure

902
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:35,039
of a billionaire scientist who smokes

903
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,799
weed on the joe rogan podcast

904
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,640
and or not a scientist but you know a

905
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:40,799
billionaire philanthropist i guess

906
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,200
if you even want to call him that but

907
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,880
it's kind of messed up because

908
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,399
if you didn't have all that razzle

909
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:48,480
dazzle of elon musk if

910
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:52,960
someone like say sid from toy story

911
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:55,360
had marched out a monkey and said hey i

912
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,039
drilled into its brain

913
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:59,440
and now i'm you know putting this uh

914
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,399
computer in it

915
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:02,159
we would look at it like oh my god that

916
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:04,720
is evil but if you just tilt it a little

917
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:05,039
bit

918
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:07,039
like if you change the perception it

919
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,399
doesn't seem that way

920
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,240
another example is and i'm not trying to

921
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,320
go in all these animal peta

922
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,159
rant examples but i have a couple

923
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,080
friends that are lab techs

924
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,880
in scientific laboratories and there's

925
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:20,480
been a couple of times where

926
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:21,919
we've talked about the mice and they're

927
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:24,799
like oh i've killed mice in the

928
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:27,760
thousands like maybe tens of thousands

929
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:29,120
and i'm just like well i guess they're

930
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,519
just

931
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,919
mice but at the same time what is that

932
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:33,519
doing to your psyche that's kind of

933
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:34,399
[\h__\h] up

934
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,440
like to say you've just ended tens of

935
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:39,440
thousands of lives i mean

936
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:41,840
i don't know it just seems like science

937
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,000
has baked into it this

938
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:47,279
uh this cost that like for us to

939
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:49,519
figure it all out uh you're gonna have

940
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,039
to break a few eggs to

941
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:53,440
make the omelet as they say you know you

942
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,559
know that that's such an

943
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,480
excellent point and what i can

944
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:58,399
especially

945
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:01,519
relate to identify with what you're

946
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,480
saying is the questioning part of it

947
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,240
because that's really where i'm at

948
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:08,640
i don't know i don't know i can look at

949
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:11,519
it you know both ways

950
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:14,159
we often talk about this empire as if

951
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:14,880
it's

952
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:17,919
something that is not within us or we

953
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:18,799
are within it

954
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:22,640
you know we are co-creators not only of

955
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,000
our reality

956
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:26,720
but of this machine that we've created

957
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:27,760
that

958
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:30,159
has all these advancements and sometimes

959
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:32,159
you know if the whole thing was laid out

960
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:33,600
to you you might say

961
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:35,600
okay i guess go ahead and kill those

962
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:37,600
mice i guess that is for the greater

963
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,159
good

964
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,840
and then i think there's other times it

965
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:41,519
really is a gray area there's other

966
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,559
times where you say

967
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:44,720
you know i really think that lipstick

968
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:48,080
can be tested just as effectively on

969
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:51,679
i don't know a window or something so

970
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:54,480
but the questioning the saying you know

971
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:55,039
if we're

972
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:58,159
able to now at least start setting out

973
00:34:02,789 --> 00:33:59,440
some parameters

974
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,799
that there is really this realm perhaps

975
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:05,120
and this realm doesn't always have the

976
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:06,880
best intentions for

977
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:10,159
us for humanity for our soul

978
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:11,839
if we're able to at least start that

979
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,599
dialogue

980
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,599
maybe we could nudge a little bit closer

981
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,440
to having more

982
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,679
reasonable answers to those questions

983
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:21,440
that we could at least feel good about

984
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:22,320
and say

985
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:23,440
i don't know if we made the best

986
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:25,119
decision but i feel like we at least

987
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:25,919
factored in

988
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:29,359
more of the variables yes yes

989
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,639
i agree and the theme of social

990
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:34,399
engineering comes up a little bit in the

991
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:35,679
book it weaves throughout

992
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,760
in a lot of different ways the question

993
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:39,119
of how have we been

994
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:41,200
conditioned and this might be a weird

995
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,240
one to bring up but

996
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:44,639
i find that when i try to have these

997
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,639
types of conversations with those same

998
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:48,720
industry friends that are convinced

999
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,440
there's no evil in medical science

1000
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,679
i bring up eugenics and how it pretty

1001
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,599
much always advanced through something

1002
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,359
under the umbrella of science and they

1003
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:58,960
say well eugenics is gone

1004
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:01,359
i died out with the nazis right

1005
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:02,720
obviously they don't know a lot about

1006
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:04,000
project paperclip

1007
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:06,079
but the evidence they have cited to me

1008
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:07,920
for their confidence that eugenics is

1009
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:08,720
gone

1010
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:11,760
is things like well the ceo of pfizer is

1011
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,240
a black woman now or the head of the cdc

1012
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:16,480
is an indian man i don't really know

1013
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:17,359
who's who

1014
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,359
but i was just surprised to see it

1015
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:21,119
reduced to that kind of thinking that

1016
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,240
the emphasis

1017
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:24,320
liberals have been conditioned to put on

1018
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:26,560
identity politics and race lately

1019
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:30,000
comes full circle into well these

1020
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:31,680
people can all be trusted now because

1021
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,680
they're people of color

1022
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:35,520
thorny stuff but it is just strange

1023
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:37,599
logic that this is a type of thinking

1024
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:39,200
that was clearly engineered in liberal

1025
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:40,480
politics and

1026
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:43,680
if evil creeps in from something in the

1027
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:45,280
extended consciousness realm like you

1028
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:45,839
were saying

1029
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:48,160
then who the ceo of moderna is at a

1030
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:49,359
given time

1031
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,920
probably matters even less but it's not

1032
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:53,520
always going to be obvious who the bad

1033
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,119
guys are they don't wear

1034
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:57,200
a badge they don't even think they're

1035
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:00,320
bad usually it's complex and even though

1036
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:02,720
to some of us it's hidden in plain sight

1037
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:04,720
to a lot of other people the majority

1038
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:08,079
it's still just very much hidden well

1039
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:10,960
you know i i'd almost jumped that two

1040
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:13,040
steps forward because i think the social

1041
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:14,560
engineering part of it is really

1042
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:15,359
difficult

1043
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:17,200
like you said at the beginning it's

1044
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,720
really hard for a lot of people to wrap

1045
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:20,160
their head around that

1046
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:23,599
because it is paradigm shifting

1047
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,839
in a fundamental way when someone

1048
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:27,599
confronts you with the fact that

1049
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,440
you've already lived through social

1050
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:31,440
engineering and then points out examples

1051
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:31,920
like

1052
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,680
i've been driving the glorious dynamic

1053
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:35,520
example to death and people get tired of

1054
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:37,359
hearing it but you know

1055
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:40,400
go youtube listen glorious dynam in her

1056
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:41,119
own words

1057
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:43,920
say yeah i was working for the cia and

1058
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,320
then

1059
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:46,720
go just one step further and find out

1060
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:47,520
that

1061
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:51,280
no man she wasn't recruited by the cia

1062
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:53,760
when she was in the women's movement she

1063
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:54,880
was in the freaking

1064
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:57,839
cia and they gave her an assignment to

1065
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,160
go

1066
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,720
co-op the women's movement and they say

1067
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:02,640
okay well oh geez you know and you wrap

1068
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,760
your head around that you go

1069
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:06,000
okay but isn't it good that we had

1070
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:07,280
changes and there's more

1071
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:09,280
freedom for women and wasn't it really

1072
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,720
screwed up and [\h__\h] you think black

1073
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:12,160
women didn't have the vote

1074
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:15,680
until 1920 you're like how crazy is that

1075
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:18,720
you know but then you get your wits

1076
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:19,839
about you and you go

1077
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:23,920
but wait a minute why is the cia

1078
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:27,440
even interested in that you know

1079
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:29,920
take away the fact that they did it why

1080
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:30,480
are they

1081
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:33,839
interested in it well maybe it's because

1082
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:36,400
this social engineering thing is always

1083
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:37,440
in play

1084
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:40,640
they see that as their job and when i

1085
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:43,040
say they i'm not talking about the cia

1086
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,280
only i'm talking about there is we all

1087
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:47,280
feel it you and i talk about it as if

1088
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,160
it's

1089
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:50,560
just ordinary stuff although ninety

1090
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,839
percent of the other people don't

1091
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:54,079
and that's that there is a they that

1092
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:55,440
thinks they are

1093
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:57,680
responsible for controlling everything

1094
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:58,480
and they do

1095
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:01,119
stuff like this on a regular basis

1096
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:01,920
because

1097
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:04,400
man they just think it's their job but

1098
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,240
if i could i want to connect that

1099
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:08,640
with the evil thing in a way that has

1100
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:10,880
really just come into focus

1101
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,400
for me recently and that's this idea

1102
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:16,160
that

1103
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:19,680
we all live rich spiritual

1104
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:23,040
lives we do we're enmeshed

1105
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,119
in this larger consciousness that we're

1106
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:27,200
talking about and some of it isn't so

1107
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:28,560
great like we're talking about

1108
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,160
but some of it seems to be pretty

1109
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:32,640
amazing it seems to give us

1110
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:35,359
you know love and compassion and

1111
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:36,320
humility

1112
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:39,200
when we tune into it and we're always in

1113
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,000
that soup

1114
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:42,720
of choosing and letting some in and

1115
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:43,839
letting some out

1116
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:46,480
and we're all doing it and that woman

1117
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:47,680
who got

1118
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,760
you know the fake promotion and all the

1119
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,079
free stock at moderna that

1120
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:54,960
those criminals gave her you know what

1121
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:55,839
however good

1122
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,119
or however bad she is she still wakes up

1123
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:00,800
at two o'clock in the morning

1124
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:03,119
with the same kind of spiritual

1125
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,000
questions

1126
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:06,320
that we all have you know what is my

1127
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:07,280
soul you know

1128
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:10,160
what will happen when i die you know how

1129
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:11,680
can i be a better

1130
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:14,079
parent daughter whatever i mean we're

1131
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,040
all in that

1132
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:17,359
and i think that when we talk about

1133
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:18,320
anyone as

1134
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:21,599
if they're not part of that spiritual

1135
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,160
soup

1136
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,480
of good and evil in this broader way

1137
00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:26,240
that we're talking about it

1138
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,359
i think we risk becoming just

1139
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:31,599
as bad as they are if you know what i

1140
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:33,040
mean

1141
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:36,320
yes well said well said and to get back

1142
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:37,280
to your book a little bit

1143
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:40,320
i liked the excerpts from your interview

1144
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:43,760
with rizverk a name i was not familiar

1145
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:44,560
with but

1146
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:46,880
you talked to him a lot about a.i a

1147
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,520
subject that you know well as you were

1148
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:51,440
studying ai before you got out of

1149
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:54,160
college i believe it at a phd level

1150
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:56,160
and obviously a lot of things have

1151
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:58,240
changed since then in the realm of ai

1152
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:58,720
but

1153
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:01,760
talk to us about how these themes of

1154
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:04,720
ai and evil actually relate to each

1155
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:05,760
other

1156
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:08,160
well i think rizz verk is really an

1157
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:10,240
amazing guy and i really enjoy talking

1158
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,800
to him

1159
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:12,079
there's been a couple other guys where

1160
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:13,920
i've kind of gone geeky a little bit

1161
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:17,200
because yeah i was in the phd program at

1162
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:18,800
the university of arizona

1163
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:22,000
i really was wanting to do this ai thing

1164
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:23,839
and then i left and i started a little

1165
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:24,480
ai

1166
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:27,440
company back when expert systems were

1167
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,960
kind of the rage you know

1168
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:31,200
and expert systems was this idea like

1169
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,800
one of my clients was dupont you know

1170
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:34,480
you want to go total uh

1171
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:37,520
total dark but in dupont

1172
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:40,800
they had hundreds and hundreds of these

1173
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:43,119
chemis chemical engineers some of the

1174
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:44,480
best in the world

1175
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:47,200
and they were sitting around going wow

1176
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:49,119
what if that guy leaves

1177
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:51,599
what if that guy gets hit by a bus

1178
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:52,960
tomorrow

1179
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,440
don't we want to have some way of

1180
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:56,960
codifying

1181
00:41:00,870 --> 00:41:00,240
the genius that he's amassed and they

1182
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:00,880
thought that

1183
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,760
expert systems would be a way to do it

1184
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:05,440
and expert systems would be

1185
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:07,839
a way that you could kind of ask a

1186
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:09,520
series of questions

1187
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:11,839
and come up with the answers so if

1188
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:12,960
you're trying to

1189
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,040
do some kind of complicated process to

1190
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:17,760
get plastic to do some weird things

1191
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:19,760
this guy might go through and ask this

1192
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:21,280
question after that question if you

1193
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,319
answered it this way

1194
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:24,720
then he'd ask this question so that was

1195
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,000
the idea

1196
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:29,040
it didn't really work quite as well as

1197
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:30,240
they had hoped

1198
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:33,680
but it was the idea and it was awesome

1199
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:35,599
for me i was excited about it and i got

1200
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:36,800
to do it for

1201
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:39,520
a number of years and and that was the

1202
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:40,000
thing

1203
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:43,280
so when i talked to riz verk who

1204
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:46,800
is like oh about 10 levels way

1205
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:49,520
moonshot past alex and you know what

1206
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:50,560
what i knew

1207
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:53,760
this guy is a super genius you talk to

1208
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:54,079
him

1209
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:58,319
mit game lab founder

1210
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,880
then an entrepreneur who did some

1211
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:03,599
amazing games made a ton of money

1212
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,800
came back and ran the game lab at mit

1213
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,560
which is like they have an ai lab there

1214
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:09,839
too i mean mit is

1215
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,680
mit so this guy i love that he has a

1216
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,520
foot in both worlds he definitely has a

1217
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,880
foot in the tech world

1218
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:19,200
but he definitely also has a foot in the

1219
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:20,560
entrepreneurial

1220
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,520
real world make kind of stuff happen but

1221
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:25,520
he'll tell you straight up

1222
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:27,440
and i think this is lost on a lot of

1223
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:29,200
people that

1224
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:32,240
ai is totally real i mean anyone who

1225
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:34,000
thinks that that isn't i mean it's not

1226
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:34,400
like

1227
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,880
it is happening yeah you know if you

1228
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:42,240
like to trade stock

1229
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:45,760
or even buy stock you are competing with

1230
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:46,079
an

1231
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:49,599
ai robot all the time

1232
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,520
and we all get it from google search

1233
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:53,760
right i mean they couldn't possibly

1234
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,839
do all the manipulation they do that we

1235
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:57,760
see with google search

1236
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:01,040
i mean that is being controlled by

1237
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:04,079
an ai intelligence so

1238
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:07,280
the real question mark that you have and

1239
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:09,280
i've listened to some amazing interviews

1240
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,560
where you're kind of taking it to that

1241
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:12,800
next level of

1242
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,000
okay what happens

1243
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,400
so we got to go two ways either you go

1244
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:19,920
kind of the ludite way

1245
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:21,839
and you kind of say well i don't believe

1246
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,160
ai's happening you know

1247
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:26,560
they told me we'd have flying cars by

1248
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,200
now and

1249
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:29,599
i don't see any cars flying around huh

1250
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:31,040
do you ha

1251
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,240
so you can kind of go that route or

1252
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:36,400
you can kind of go the other extremist

1253
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:37,760
route and say

1254
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:40,880
i bow down to you i

1255
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:43,760
overlord you will control everything and

1256
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,040
i don't think either one of those are

1257
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,040
very productive

1258
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:49,280
what i think we need to do is again kind

1259
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,560
of apply

1260
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,079
the same kind of thinking we've been

1261
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,319
talking about in terms of

1262
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:56,880
the reality of consciousness the reality

1263
00:44:02,710 --> 00:43:59,440
of the extended realm

1264
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:02,720
the attempt that we've seemed to have

1265
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,680
to want to engineer that because that

1266
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:07,520
seems to be at play and when we want to

1267
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:08,319
talk about

1268
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:09,920
some of the dark stuff and maybe we'll

1269
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:11,920
talk about mk ultra

1270
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:13,760
maybe we'll talk about satanic ritual

1271
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,839
abuse because when you do

1272
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,680
you're going to find that what they were

1273
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:18,960
trying to do

1274
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:22,800
was weaponize extended consciousness

1275
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:26,560
in very kind of a way that a computer

1276
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:27,680
programmer would be

1277
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:30,800
comfortable with in a way so is there

1278
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,200
that

1279
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:33,760
engineering part of this extended realm

1280
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,560
and

1281
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:36,720
that's the kind of conversation i think

1282
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:37,760
we need to

1283
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:40,480
move into if we're really going to get

1284
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:41,200
serious

1285
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:45,440
about understanding what this ai

1286
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:48,560
might mean but i'm super interested and

1287
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:48,800
i

1288
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:55,599
you've done

1289
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:57,520
and i think you're very much on the

1290
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,720
cutting edge of

1291
00:45:01,829 --> 00:45:00,880
stitching some of those pieces together

1292
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:01,839
so where are you

1293
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:05,119
currently on that well you know

1294
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:07,040
i try to stay pretty neutral and just

1295
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,359
ask the questions but

1296
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,440
i have a lot of concerns about ai and

1297
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:13,280
the reason i asked you

1298
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,040
that question was really just to lead

1299
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:17,520
into this more extreme

1300
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:20,240
aspect of it and in your book you do

1301
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,040
include

1302
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,359
some talk about aliens and spirits too

1303
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:25,040
and that is one of the

1304
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:27,040
exciting ideas that's been coming up

1305
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:28,160
around here

1306
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:31,200
is what if what we're being told

1307
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:34,720
is ai is actually a channeled being

1308
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,359
living in the electromagnetic spectrum

1309
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:39,839
if a piece of cardboard from parker

1310
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:40,400
brothers

1311
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:43,359
can be used as a mode of contact with a

1312
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:44,480
spirit

1313
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:47,520
maybe some of these computer systems are

1314
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:50,000
more like digital ouija boards for

1315
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:50,560
beings

1316
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:53,680
outside of physical reality the fact

1317
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:55,359
that a lot of these people deny there's

1318
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,800
an extended consciousness

1319
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,880
means like they'll never start asking

1320
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,480
that question but

1321
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:02,240
i think a lot of the guests i've

1322
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,760
interviewed myself and

1323
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,680
the audience and you are open to the

1324
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:07,839
idea that there are intelligences

1325
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:11,119
without bodies out there maybe they can

1326
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:13,280
attach to a computer system

1327
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:17,040
and emulate a type of intelligence just

1328
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:18,800
being themselves but

1329
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,800
the programmer thinks they created it

1330
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:22,560
but what they might have created is a

1331
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:23,119
vessel

1332
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:25,119
that something entered into i think

1333
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:26,640
these are interesting questions you were

1334
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:27,599
in the phd

1335
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:31,280
program of ai do you think it's possible

1336
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,880
well you know i'd almost bring it back

1337
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:34,319
to

1338
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,480
think we can again kind of stitch those

1339
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:40,880
two things together and maybe together

1340
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:44,319
we can see where we're at so i talked

1341
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,160
not too long ago to

1342
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,560
whitley strieber the very famous

1343
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:49,920
contactee i mean

1344
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:52,079
like contacting number one communion i

1345
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,359
mean everyone

1346
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:55,760
an important important person in history

1347
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:57,520
part of his history that a lot of people

1348
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,640
don't know about

1349
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,480
and he hasn't talked a lot about until

1350
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:02,640
lately is

1351
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:06,160
as a mk ultra victim as a very young kid

1352
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:09,200
yeah the school and what i thought was

1353
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:11,040
interesting about that and that's what i

1354
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:12,240
was alluding to so i'm just going to

1355
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,839
make it a little bit more explicit so

1356
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:15,359
people know

1357
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:17,920
what they were doing is they're taking

1358
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:20,160
these kids eight or nine years old

1359
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:22,000
and they were locking them in faraday

1360
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:23,760
cages

1361
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:27,440
which prevents electromagnetic signals

1362
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:29,520
from coming in or out of the box

1363
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:32,000
so they're doing sciency kind of control

1364
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:33,119
stuff

1365
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:34,880
and then what they were doing is really

1366
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:36,400
evil satanic

1367
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:39,680
crap you know killing little animals

1368
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,800
right in front of the kids terrorizing

1369
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:44,160
the kids

1370
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:46,400
i don't know about sexual abuse because

1371
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:47,520
we can't report it

1372
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:49,760
in this case but in other similar cases

1373
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:51,440
it seems to be at play

1374
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:53,839
drugs can't report it in this case but

1375
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:56,079
in other cases that seems to be a play

1376
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:59,040
you know whitley reports that the only

1377
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:00,400
way he believes

1378
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:03,599
he even survived that experience is that

1379
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:05,119
he got very very sick

1380
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:07,040
and he had to go to the hospital and he

1381
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,720
was at the hospital for seven days and

1382
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:10,480
his mom came and visited him

1383
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:12,400
and they kind of put an end to this

1384
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:13,520
whole thing

1385
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:16,960
but he has connected with other kids

1386
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:20,000
from san antonio of that time

1387
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:22,160
that were in there and he said some of

1388
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:23,119
them

1389
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:25,280
never made it out or made it out as

1390
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:27,520
shells of who they formerly were you

1391
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:27,920
know

1392
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,920
stayed in their house until they were 50

1393
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:31,599
years old and then

1394
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:33,520
died a lonely death that was the kid

1395
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:35,440
right across the street from

1396
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,960
but to finish this story what they were

1397
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,160
doing

1398
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:42,480
was they were trying to create

1399
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,040
disassociative identity disorder

1400
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:46,960
and you've run into this again and again

1401
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:49,359
i've heard you report it on

1402
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:52,400
thc so here

1403
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:55,680
is a technology if you will

1404
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,720
of saying if i can create this altered

1405
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:00,160
personality

1406
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:03,200
and if i can routinely do it

1407
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:06,319
then maybe i can figure out a way to

1408
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,680
jump me into that extended realm

1409
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,760
so i connect that with what you're

1410
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:13,920
saying about the parker brothers

1411
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,559
ouija board which i think is awesome but

1412
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:18,000
now i think we're talking about

1413
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,960
exactly the same thing and you can

1414
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:23,119
imagine some

1415
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:26,240
evil genius sydney gottlieb

1416
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,160
type of our version of joseph mengele

1417
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:32,400
sitting there going oh let's see how

1418
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:33,440
this works and

1419
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:36,720
is this more effective and why wouldn't

1420
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,240
we attach

1421
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,880
the latest and greatest technology the

1422
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:42,000
latest and greatest

1423
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:45,760
whatever of course

1424
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:48,960
if you will go that far if you'll lock

1425
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:52,400
eight-year-old kids in faraday cages and

1426
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:54,559
traumatize them in order to create a

1427
00:49:59,530 --> 00:49:56,160
dissociative identity

1428
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:59,540
within them what wouldn't you do

1429
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:01,280
[Music]

1430
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,160
right right obviously there's some kind

1431
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:06,079
of relationship between

1432
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:10,480
trauma being terrorized extreme

1433
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:14,160
emotional states and the dark forces on

1434
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:14,960
the other side

1435
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:16,800
whether you're opening up to them or

1436
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:19,280
whatever obviously this is the basis for

1437
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:22,319
stranger things the whole beginning part

1438
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:23,280
of it is

1439
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:25,920
her being traumatized in a lab so that

1440
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:27,280
she can be the one

1441
00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:30,319
to make contact with this demonic

1442
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:33,200
entity on the other side that's a great

1443
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:33,760
point

1444
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:36,960
and the technology folds right into that

1445
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,839
seamlessly of course it would and that's

1446
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:41,520
why i think we got to kind of

1447
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:43,520
stake our claim out there you and i do a

1448
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:45,280
little bit because i think we're kind of

1449
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:47,200
beating around the bush

1450
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:50,400
what it seems like is emerging is a

1451
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,000
scenario where

1452
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:54,640
all these things are in some way

1453
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:56,000
different

1454
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,160
but are linked together in a way that we

1455
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:02,240
don't fully understand but are kind of

1456
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,000
capitalizing on each other

1457
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:06,720
so no i don't think the whole thing

1458
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:08,240
reduces down

1459
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:11,520
to an ai silicone computer program

1460
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:14,319
that isn't my read of the data my read

1461
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:15,760
of the data is

1462
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,599
that folds naturally into this

1463
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,680
if you are so inclined if you have that

1464
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:23,599
kind of luciferian

1465
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:27,040
kind of know everything big brain

1466
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:29,920
i create better than the creator gods if

1467
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:30,640
that's your

1468
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:33,520
energy technology is going to fold

1469
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,040
seamlessly in

1470
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:37,200
but so will a lot of other things so

1471
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:38,960
will a golden dawn

1472
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:42,559
and oto and chaos a lot of things will

1473
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:43,119
fold

1474
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:45,839
into that same energy and that doesn't

1475
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:46,800
mean that we can

1476
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:49,280
paint it all with a brush and say that

1477
00:51:54,750 --> 00:51:50,079
it's all

1478
00:51:57,630 --> 00:51:54,760
has

1479
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:57,640
potentiality it just seems like that

1480
00:52:01,030 --> 00:52:00,319
potentiality is pretty highly charged on

1481
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:01,040
the

1482
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:04,640
negative side i agree

1483
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:07,040
i agree it's like we're talking about a

1484
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:08,240
mindset

1485
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:11,280
that extends beyond just mk ultra and

1486
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:12,960
satanic ritual abuse

1487
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,839
it's a similar mindset but it seems to

1488
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:17,119
be applied

1489
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,359
in silicon valley in certain ways these

1490
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,280
days total but

1491
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:23,119
if that is the plan if they're still

1492
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:24,720
trying to weaponize extended

1493
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:25,520
consciousness

1494
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:28,079
i think it's just a little harder to

1495
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:29,680
visualize or

1496
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:32,720
contextualize what that looks like in

1497
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:33,680
the ai

1498
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:36,880
computer space other than some kind of

1499
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:37,520
digital

1500
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,520
ouija board how else do you think it

1501
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,119
applies

1502
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:43,280
i'm not so sure that's the right

1503
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:44,720
question

1504
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:47,760
getting at

1505
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:50,000
is and these are question is the key

1506
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:51,839
word here because we don't know yeah we

1507
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:52,960
should be lining up

1508
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:55,440
the phd students and rather than sending

1509
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:56,800
them off doing

1510
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,000
nonsense counterproductive [\h__\h]

1511
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:02,000
they should be trying to grapple with

1512
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:03,839
these fundamental questions

1513
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:06,800
but i tie it back to two things one raw

1514
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:07,599
leading

1515
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:10,480
rich spiritual lives so don't point at

1516
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:12,079
elon musk and don't

1517
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:14,400
hate on elon musk even though neural

1518
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:15,119
link is

1519
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:18,640
luciferian black magic you know he's

1520
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:18,960
still

1521
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:21,839
trying to figure it all out as we all

1522
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:22,400
are

1523
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:28,079
rich spiritual lives then my read of the

1524
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:28,800
data

1525
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:32,559
is that the light the love

1526
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:36,400
is an infinite order of magnitude

1527
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,000
bigger greater larger than

1528
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:42,559
this lower level stuff and i know that's

1529
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,240
hard to kind of it sounds

1530
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:46,319
a little bit too good to be true and a

1531
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:47,280
little bit too

1532
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:50,640
pollyanna but i feel like

1533
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:53,040
that's my read of the data that the best

1534
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:54,240
data i get for that

1535
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:57,040
is near death experience because there's

1536
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:58,480
a case where

1537
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:00,400
you know scientifically if you will

1538
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:02,640
medically we can say with confidence

1539
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:04,160
that the brain is now out of the

1540
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:05,200
equation

1541
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:08,000
so why does the data look so different

1542
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:08,880
when we

1543
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:11,119
go down that path that's a question that

1544
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:11,920
i ask

1545
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:15,440
so my conclusion is maybe

1546
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:19,440
what we see in this realm of

1547
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,240
what's being manifested is evil but

1548
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,240
isn't even fully evil like we said you

1549
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:26,559
know the luciferian vibe is not

1550
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:30,079
all evil it's just a force

1551
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:31,359
you know it's a force that can be

1552
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:33,119
applied in different ways but

1553
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:35,200
anyways i'm kind of rambling are you

1554
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:37,520
picking up the threat i'm saying i mean

1555
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,559
you know maybe the light is really

1556
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:42,480
what it's all about and i don't mean

1557
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,720
that in just a like

1558
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:46,559
what we want to hear thing maybe it

1559
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,559
really is more about the light than it

1560
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:50,400
is about the dark

1561
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:52,799
right and it gets back to those people

1562
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:54,480
who say well it's all just

1563
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,799
experience on some level yes i

1564
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:58,240
understand that

1565
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:01,200
this life this soul school this

1566
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:02,559
simulation if you want to say

1567
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:04,960
it would get boring really quick if we

1568
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:07,040
were all just eating grapes and a

1569
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:07,599
hammock

1570
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:10,000
being fanned by topless models we got to

1571
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:11,599
save some time for that

1572
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:15,359
but obviously in the grand scheme of it

1573
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,799
it would get pretty boring if there

1574
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:18,720
wasn't some villain in the game

1575
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:22,079
but when we die and the game ends for us

1576
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:24,079
it's always love and light it seems to

1577
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:26,079
be it seems to be those are the reports

1578
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,720
from

1579
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:29,040
the near-death experiences that i've

1580
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:29,839
heard and

1581
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:31,839
they far outweigh anything negative

1582
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:33,119
although there do seem to be

1583
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:36,000
a couple of negative ones but i guess

1584
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:37,359
maybe that experience didn't

1585
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:39,119
fully play itself out and maybe they

1586
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,720
would have gotten to the light at the

1587
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:42,319
end of the tunnel with grandma saying

1588
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:43,760
it's all going to be okay

1589
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:46,400
but yeah the data does seem to be that

1590
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:48,400
no matter what goes on

1591
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:51,440
in the end you're gonna be fine

1592
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,280
and the universe is a warm hug

1593
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:57,599
waiting for you to come into it with

1594
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:00,079
open arms i guess in the end

1595
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:02,160
and if that doesn't sound like enough of

1596
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:03,200
a solve

1597
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:06,240
for the evil problem i think we're

1598
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:06,799
selling

1599
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,400
that short a little bit because

1600
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:12,559
i think our experience everyone's

1601
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:13,440
experience

1602
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:16,559
is that that evil is much

1603
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:19,839
closer to us than that kind of

1604
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:22,160
abstract you know grandma's hug kind of

1605
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:23,200
thing

1606
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,319
we all get the sense that we are

1607
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:29,040
in the middle of the soup all the time

1608
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:29,680
you know

1609
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:32,960
and that whether it's the racing

1610
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:33,440
thoughts

1611
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:36,079
in our head or whether it's the

1612
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:37,920
screaming at our loved one

1613
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:41,200
or whether it's a lot lot worse which

1614
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:43,119
all of us have probably engaged in

1615
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:44,720
things that are like that

1616
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:47,359
so i don't want to give a quick shuffle

1617
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:48,480
out the door

1618
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:51,520
for evil because i think most of us it's

1619
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:54,720
very very real in us and

1620
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:57,200
it's very real in the people around us

1621
00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:59,680
the psychopathic

1622
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:01,599
situation that we've created because i

1623
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:03,040
was going to say culture i was going to

1624
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:03,520
say

1625
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:06,240
all those things kind of failed i mean

1626
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:08,480
the fact that psychopaths run the world

1627
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:11,359
is inescapable you know so you got to

1628
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:12,240
deal with that

1629
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:15,760
grandma's hug is nice but right now we

1630
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:18,319
have to deal with that first part

1631
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:20,880
it's true but then it just kind of comes

1632
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:22,799
back to if it is all experience

1633
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:26,079
and once we die we get the warm glowing

1634
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,359
love of the universe then

1635
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:31,440
doesn't it have a role it has to play a

1636
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:32,799
role in the experience

1637
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,079
and maybe not maybe not in the way

1638
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:38,640
that you're talking about right there

1639
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:40,799
because my read of that data

1640
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:44,079
is that the most important part of the

1641
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:45,760
near-death experience

1642
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,160
and i really got this from a guy named

1643
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:50,000
dr jeff long and i'm so excited because

1644
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:51,440
he's coming back

1645
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:52,960
on skeptico in a couple weeks and

1646
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:55,119
there's so many next level things

1647
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:56,640
that one i want to talk to this guy

1648
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:58,799
about but he is a

1649
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:01,599
radiation oncologist which puts him in

1650
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:02,480
the death game

1651
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:03,920
all the time he's dealing with people

1652
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:05,839
who are dying of cancer

1653
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:08,880
and he's a full-time highly regarded

1654
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:10,240
radiation oncologist

1655
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:11,520
but he's written these best-selling

1656
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:13,440
books on near-death experience

1657
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:16,400
and he's collected the largest database

1658
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:18,000
of near-death experiences

1659
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,079
a searchable database you can go online

1660
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:22,400
and see you can read and compare all

1661
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:23,119
these

1662
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:24,880
things we're saying kind of alluding to

1663
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:27,760
about grandma's hug and stuff like that

1664
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:29,359
and the biggest thing that comes out of

1665
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:32,000
that is that

1666
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:36,480
no you will be judged grandma's hug

1667
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:38,960
isn't what it's really about what it's

1668
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:41,599
really about is judgment

1669
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:45,040
but you're the one doing the judging

1670
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:47,520
so when this really hit me i mean it

1671
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:49,040
took me a long time for me to really

1672
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:50,480
process this

1673
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:53,760
but the way i relate it to is well [\h__\h]

1674
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:55,839
i know that all along

1675
00:59:02,870 --> 00:58:59,359
when i was a little kid seven years old

1676
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:02,880
running down to toducci's grocery store

1677
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:04,480
down in the corner back when they had

1678
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,599
those old-fashioned

1679
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:07,920
you know candy stores and i was like man

1680
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:09,119
i don't have a nickel

1681
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:10,559
i don't have a dime i don't have a

1682
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:12,559
porter i'm going to steal this candy

1683
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:14,079
i'll put it in my pocket no one will

1684
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:15,440
notice

1685
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:18,079
i didn't feel like jesus was judging me

1686
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:19,280
right then

1687
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:22,000
i just felt internally in my gut and

1688
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:23,599
sometimes i took the candy

1689
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:26,079
but sometimes i just felt like man that

1690
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:28,400
wasn't the right thing to do

1691
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:30,960
and that's what they're saying and

1692
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:32,480
they're not saying it to like

1693
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:34,079
manipulate you but that's what the

1694
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:35,920
near-death experiences are saying saying

1695
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:37,599
when you get to the other side

1696
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:40,960
you just have compassion but at the same

1697
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:43,760
time you have this sense of judgment of

1698
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:46,240
this is what's weighing on your soul

1699
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:47,920
everything you've done

1700
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:50,480
is now weighing on your soul and that's

1701
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:52,400
not good or bad it's just the freaking

1702
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:53,920
way that it is you know

1703
01:00:02,069 --> 00:59:58,160
buck up deal with it yes and to me

1704
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,079
that puts a different spin on everything

1705
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:04,559
that puts a different spin on the lab

1706
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:05,599
tech

1707
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:08,400
who killed ten thousand mice a different

1708
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:09,920
spin on the attorney

1709
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:12,799
who said oh what the hell pfizer's my

1710
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:14,079
boss pfizer pays my

1711
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:15,760
bills i don't care if it's right or

1712
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:18,079
wrong imagine

1713
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:21,520
now you're in a realm where that becomes

1714
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:24,559
realer than real you're feeling that

1715
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:26,799
fully and it's not someone looking over

1716
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:28,400
your shoulder saying you

1717
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:30,720
bastard son of a [\h__\h] now you will pay

1718
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:31,920
it's none of that

1719
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:33,920
it's the ultimate compassion and love

1720
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:35,040
but saying

1721
01:00:42,150 --> 01:00:38,319
wow craig you could have done

1722
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:42,160
better you are better than that yeah

1723
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:44,880
no it's totally true it goes with

1724
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:46,160
science

1725
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:48,079
leading us down this path of well there

1726
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:50,640
is no god there is no spirit there is no

1727
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:51,520
consciousness

1728
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:54,079
it also means there is no wayne of the

1729
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:55,280
heart ceremony

1730
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:58,000
there is no life review nothing you do

1731
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,160
matters there is no judgment

1732
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:02,720
and it was because of your interview or

1733
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:04,400
maybe interviews with dr

1734
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:06,880
raymond moody that i had him on recently

1735
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:09,280
and i definitely wanted to focus on

1736
01:01:12,630 --> 01:01:12,160
that life review aspect that so many

1737
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:12,640
people

1738
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:15,680
seem to report i felt the pain that i

1739
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:17,520
caused every single person

1740
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:20,160
from their perspective like that's

1741
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:20,960
interesting

1742
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:23,599
and that is what the data kind of says

1743
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:24,079
and

1744
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:26,960
when it comes to what is life i really

1745
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:29,040
do conclude with that

1746
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:32,160
that soul school hypothesis like

1747
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:35,040
if this is something and reincarnation

1748
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:36,720
is real well it seems to be

1749
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:39,680
a soul school and if that's true well

1750
01:01:44,069 --> 01:01:41,200
where are the tests

1751
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:44,079
well that's what evil's role is is the

1752
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:45,680
temptation

1753
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:48,559
like can you pass that test we finish a

1754
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:50,160
life it's pass fail

1755
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:52,240
and you either go on to something else

1756
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:53,760
that we probably never will

1757
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:56,000
understand until we get there personally

1758
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:57,359
or we fail

1759
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:59,599
we come back and we repeat the process

1760
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:01,359
but without evil being here

1761
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:05,039
without some temptation there is no test

1762
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:06,559
and it's kind of like jordan peterson

1763
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:09,440
would say you can't really be a good

1764
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:10,319
person

1765
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:13,440
until you know your capacity for evil

1766
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:15,839
we all know ignorant people we all know

1767
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:18,400
really simple-minded nice guys

1768
01:02:21,990 --> 01:02:21,200
that have never heard a fly or anything

1769
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:22,000
and it's like

1770
01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:24,000
well have they really wrestled with the

1771
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:25,359
damage they could do

1772
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:27,520
is it a choice for that person because

1773
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:29,280
it seems like that person is just so

1774
01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:30,480
simple minded they're

1775
01:02:34,230 --> 01:02:32,559
doing what they're told and following

1776
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:34,240
the teachers good lessons and leaving

1777
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:34,559
them

1778
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:37,359
an apple on the desk every friday and

1779
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:38,160
it's like

1780
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:40,160
they're just a good little pet but no a

1781
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:41,760
lot of other people they deal with their

1782
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:42,480
shadow

1783
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:44,799
and they recognize oh my god i can

1784
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:46,960
really crush lives like i can do some

1785
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:48,640
real damage here and now i'm gonna

1786
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:50,480
choose to not do that in fact i'm gonna

1787
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:52,079
keep my shadow in check

1788
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:54,000
i'm gonna integrate it into myself or

1789
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:56,160
something but i'm gonna overcome that

1790
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:58,799
and if the universe is a soul school and

1791
01:03:01,510 --> 01:03:00,640
i think that's the best hypothesis we

1792
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:01,520
got

1793
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:03,440
there have to be tests and maybe that's

1794
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:06,400
evil's position in the game

1795
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:09,200
and i know we're a little past time here

1796
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:10,960
i hope that's okay but as we're starting

1797
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:12,319
to wrap this up

1798
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:14,559
you know your show has been really on

1799
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:16,000
the money these days and

1800
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:17,920
your finger is on the pulse of what's

1801
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:19,119
happening in

1802
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:21,680
cutting edge science i'm curious if

1803
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:22,799
there are any

1804
01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:26,720
new books in the scientific exploration

1805
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:27,760
of weird stuff

1806
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:30,079
areas that you think are must reads the

1807
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:31,200
virus has taken up

1808
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:33,599
so much energy i haven't even really

1809
01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:35,599
dove very deep into what else is

1810
01:03:39,670 --> 01:03:36,799
happening out there

1811
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:39,680
but are there people that are you think

1812
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:41,760
maybe good interviews for thc have a

1813
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:43,440
more sciency flavor that

1814
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:46,160
i should look into oh greg i wish you

1815
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:47,839
wouldn't ask that i'm in a total

1816
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:48,960
different thing man

1817
01:03:55,109 --> 01:03:52,079
my head space has been in the romans

1818
01:03:56,230 --> 01:03:55,119
i am deep deep deep into the romans into

1819
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:56,240
christianity

1820
01:03:59,349 --> 01:03:58,799
into the early social engineering and

1821
01:04:02,230 --> 01:03:59,359
i'm just

1822
01:04:03,510 --> 01:04:02,240
fascinated with it the joe atwell stuff

1823
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:03,520
well

1824
01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:10,559
he's kind of missed the first conspiracy

1825
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:10,960
which

1826
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:12,720
now i've bounced it off of enough

1827
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:14,640
religious scholars and gotten that blank

1828
01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:15,680
stare or that

1829
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:18,160
outright hostility that i feel very

1830
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:19,200
confident

1831
01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:21,200
that the evidence is overwhelming and

1832
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:22,319
it's true and

1833
01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:24,960
the bad thing i guess about skeptico

1834
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:26,559
sometimes and i think it does frustrate

1835
01:04:29,829 --> 01:04:28,000
people is

1836
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:29,839
people that do enter a lot of interviews

1837
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:31,599
about evil and it's like there's nothing

1838
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:33,280
else going on in the world right now

1839
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:34,960
because i'm interested in evil well

1840
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:36,640
they're kind of now having to endure a

1841
01:04:40,150 --> 01:04:37,200
bunch of

1842
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:40,160
interviews about first century roman

1843
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:43,760
history and vespasian and josephus and

1844
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:47,839
but it is a story that i think

1845
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:49,680
we all know part of the story but i

1846
01:04:54,549 --> 01:04:51,440
think it's a fundamental rewrite

1847
01:04:56,549 --> 01:04:54,559
of how the game

1848
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:56,559
has always been played and maybe not

1849
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:58,079
always is too far but

1850
01:05:02,470 --> 01:05:01,119
how these freaking guys were gonna play

1851
01:05:03,670 --> 01:05:02,480
in this thing playing the social

1852
01:05:05,829 --> 01:05:03,680
engineering game

1853
01:05:07,109 --> 01:05:05,839
from the beginning and what are the

1854
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:07,119
implications for

1855
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:09,280
where we're at so i'm chewing through

1856
01:05:13,029 --> 01:05:11,440
that and then once i get that maybe i

1857
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:13,039
can return to science but right now i

1858
01:05:17,270 --> 01:05:14,880
haven't really

1859
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:17,280
really dug into it well well fair enough

1860
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:18,480
and just to leave

1861
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:20,240
the people with maybe a little bit of

1862
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:22,400
cliff notes to that what do you find so

1863
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:23,839
interesting about

1864
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:26,480
going back to the romans and the initial

1865
01:05:30,870 --> 01:05:27,760
social engineering

1866
01:05:33,270 --> 01:05:30,880
because i agree that it's there i mean

1867
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:33,280
we think of the romans as a very

1868
01:05:37,990 --> 01:05:36,720
bloodthirsty empire that definitely had

1869
01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:38,000
an iron-clad grip

1870
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:41,599
on their people uh what's mind-blowing

1871
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:43,359
about this

1872
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:44,720
the christian angle is still

1873
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:46,559
mind-blowing the fact

1874
01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:51,119
that people are so mind controlled

1875
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:55,280
by christianity when christianity can be

1876
01:05:58,870 --> 01:05:55,760
shown

1877
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:02,470
a game you know an invention

1878
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:04,720
this is not to say christ consciousness

1879
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:05,839
you know that gets into a whole

1880
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:06,960
different realm of what we're talking

1881
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:07,359
about

1882
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:09,280
consciousness and extended consciousness

1883
01:06:15,510 --> 01:06:10,799
and historical jesus

1884
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:15,520
who knows but in terms of co-opting

1885
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:17,599
someone's spiritual beliefs jumping in

1886
01:06:22,870 --> 01:06:19,839
there to be that intermediary to say

1887
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:22,880
oh no i can tell you

1888
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:26,160
how to experience your greater self

1889
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:28,799
i think that's exactly what's in play

1890
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:30,240
and i think until we

1891
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:33,440
unravel that it's kind of the mirror

1892
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:35,280
image of the science game right

1893
01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:37,920
because in the science game it's hey

1894
01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:39,359
you're meaningless

1895
01:06:43,829 --> 01:06:41,920
so just let me control stuff it's

1896
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:43,839
socialism communism you know it's like

1897
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:45,680
the other thing that has been kind of

1898
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:47,760
for a lot of people have kind of woken

1899
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:49,200
up

1900
01:06:54,789 --> 01:06:52,319
is this idea that like hey i got a great

1901
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:54,799
idea here i tell you what once you give

1902
01:06:58,630 --> 01:06:56,319
me all your [\h__\h]

1903
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:58,640
all your material wealth and all your

1904
01:07:03,029 --> 01:07:00,319
rights and privileges

1905
01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:03,039
and then i'll dull those back out to you

1906
01:07:07,829 --> 01:07:04,559
in a way that i

1907
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:07,839
want right so that's what they're saying

1908
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:09,680
with the pandemic right they're saying

1909
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:11,280
yeah you know we'll just decide what you

1910
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:13,440
can do when you fly working

1911
01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:15,520
and people are like whoa why would i do

1912
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:17,680
that why would i give you everything so

1913
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:18,720
you can decide

1914
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:21,359
well that is essentially what communism

1915
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:23,359
is right and i'm not like

1916
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:25,440
the oligarchy in capitalism and it's a

1917
01:07:31,829 --> 01:07:28,720
disaster and i get all that but

1918
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:31,839
that just at a surface level is kind of

1919
01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:33,119
insane

1920
01:07:42,069 --> 01:07:40,400
is the idea that hey i had a genuine

1921
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:42,079
spiritual experience

1922
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:45,200
i died i felt what did you call the

1923
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:47,359
weighing of my soul i went through that

1924
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:49,280
i'm changed and then i come up and

1925
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:51,280
somebody goes okay now

1926
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:52,720
here's how we're gonna do this going

1927
01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:54,880
forward you're gonna come to church

1928
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:56,240
you're going to look through this book

1929
01:08:00,549 --> 01:07:58,319
and i am going to start convincing you

1930
01:08:03,670 --> 01:08:00,559
that your genuine spiritual experience

1931
01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:03,680
can only be interpreted in this way

1932
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:05,839
and the fact that that is the dominant

1933
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:08,880
paradigm throughout the world

1934
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:11,680
man that's just i still can't wrap my

1935
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:13,200
head around

1936
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:16,480
how that game has been fully played

1937
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:18,880
so that's what brings me back to the

1938
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:21,279
original

1939
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:26,640
from josephus who was supposed to be

1940
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:29,759
the super jew and then says hey all you

1941
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:31,440
jewish people you know what we had it

1942
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:31,920
wrong

1943
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:35,440
really vespasian he's the messiah

1944
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:37,359
forget it switch you're legit and it

1945
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:39,040
doesn't work

1946
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:41,600
they don't totally switch over but the

1947
01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:43,440
fact that they were playing at that

1948
01:08:48,789 --> 01:08:45,120
level

1949
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:48,799
is just the beginning of unraveling

1950
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:52,239
how we've all been played you know

1951
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:54,480
and whether you are christian and i'm

1952
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:55,440
not christian

1953
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:57,279
but you're brought up in a christian

1954
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:59,040
church or you're brought up in a

1955
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:00,239
christian culture

1956
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:02,799
it weighs on you and i just think it's

1957
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:04,000
something that needs to be

1958
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:07,040
unraveled well i agree with you it's a

1959
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:07,520
great

1960
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:11,199
case study in influence and propaganda

1961
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:12,960
and this idea that just because it's

1962
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:15,040
popular doesn't mean it's true

1963
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:17,600
these are religious gatekeepers that

1964
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:19,040
work for the empire

1965
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:22,319
to hand people a spiritual cul-de-sac

1966
01:09:26,229 --> 01:09:24,640
and i totally agree with you empires

1967
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:26,239
don't work so hard

1968
01:09:30,550 --> 01:09:28,960
to spread ideas that aren't going to

1969
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:30,560
help them in the end so the fact that

1970
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:32,000
they went around and

1971
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:34,640
killed anyone who wouldn't comply with

1972
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:35,040
this

1973
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:37,520
model it's very telling because it did

1974
01:09:41,189 --> 01:09:38,799
get us to where we are

1975
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:41,199
today where we don't think there's a god

1976
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:42,640
and we don't think there's a spirit

1977
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:43,759
world

1978
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,239
first you demonize it you know and you

1979
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:48,400
kill off anyone who has those ideas

1980
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:50,799
and then just ignore it and now people

1981
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:51,520
are

1982
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:53,679
mocked for having those kind of ideas

1983
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:56,080
and i think that's where we are now and

1984
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:57,679
we're kind of coming out the other side

1985
01:10:00,790 --> 01:09:58,239
of that

1986
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:00,800
and i think the medical lens the silver

1987
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:02,640
lining is it's going to be very

1988
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:05,920
helpful to bring spirituality back into

1989
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:07,840
the culture that's my hope

1990
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:09,280
yeah so you could probably do it in one

1991
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,360
or two shows

1992
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:13,840
20 or 30. oh man you're just too

1993
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:16,080
complimentary i am just a humble

1994
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:18,400
stoner college dropout but it's always

1995
01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:19,520
fun to talk to you man

1996
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:23,840
yeah yeah your book is a lot of fun

1997
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:26,719
i hope people do read it skeptico is as

1998
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:28,560
entertaining as ever and i really

1999
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:31,120
look forward to following along as you

2000
01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:32,400
parse through all this

2001
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:35,199
religion stuff but remind people where

2002
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:36,000
they can

2003
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:38,560
get plugged into the stuff you're doing

2004
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:39,360
skeptico

2005
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:40,960
just like you said so i think it's

2006
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:43,280
pretty easy to find it's got 2ks in it

2007
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:44,400
you know what i'm going to talk to you

2008
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:46,640
afterwards i'd like to do

2009
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:49,920
a book giveaway for thc i want people to

2010
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:51,920
read the book that's the main thing

2011
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:53,280
that's not the main thing listen to

2012
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:54,960
skeptico but if you're interested in the

2013
01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:55,520
book

2014
01:11:01,590 --> 01:10:59,120
to read so let's

2015
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:01,600
see if we make that happen cool i'm sure

2016
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:02,719
we can

2017
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:05,120
awesome well until next time man take

2018
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:06,800
care out there

2019
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:14,149
well this was a fun one and how could i

2020
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:16,080
not feel that way when alex is so

2021
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:17,280
complimentary

2022
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:20,640
he makes it easy but this topic of why

2023
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:22,880
evil matters was a lot more interesting

2024
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:24,640
than i first thought it would be and if

2025
01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:25,760
it wasn't alex

2026
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:27,760
i might not have made time to read the

2027
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:29,120
book

2028
01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:31,360
maybe because at first it seemed a bit

2029
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:33,440
obvious but when i heard him talk about

2030
01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:33,920
this

2031
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:37,040
project on roon soup many moons ago when

2032
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:38,960
it wasn't a hundred percent fleshed out

2033
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:40,080
yet

2034
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:42,159
the wheels started turning and the more

2035
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:43,600
i thought about it and worked through

2036
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:44,159
the book

2037
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:46,880
the more profound it seemed to be as he

2038
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:47,920
said it's subtle

2039
01:11:51,990 --> 01:11:50,400
but it's still profound i might have

2040
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:52,000
taken it for granted or

2041
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:53,520
overlooked some of the implications

2042
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:55,920
until i read through the book myself

2043
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:58,320
and really it's a book about mk ultra

2044
01:12:02,149 --> 01:12:00,239
and aliens and remote viewing and

2045
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:02,159
extended consciousness

2046
01:12:06,470 --> 01:12:04,159
so it's right up our alley regardless

2047
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:06,480
but this evil angle does highlight some

2048
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:08,000
nuances that often go

2049
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:10,239
unnoticed and wouldn't you know it

2050
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:12,239
people you don't even have to take my

2051
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:14,640
word for it because alex has a special

2052
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:18,159
offer for thc listeners if you made it

2053
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:19,760
all the way to the end here he's gonna

2054
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:21,600
make the ebook version

2055
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:24,880
free this friday april 30th for the

2056
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:26,080
entire day

2057
01:12:29,830 --> 01:12:28,320
and you guys are the only ones who know

2058
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:29,840
about that

2059
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:31,760
sure some people might get lucky and

2060
01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:33,520
happen to check out the book that day

2061
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:35,440
but this announcement is really just for

2062
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:36,560
you

2063
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:39,120
so why not hop over to amazon download

2064
01:12:43,510 --> 01:12:40,800
it and check it out for yourself

2065
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:43,520
no coupon code needed or anything maybe

2066
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:45,199
you could give him a good review

2067
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:46,800
or shoot him a message that you

2068
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:48,400
appreciated and thought it was a good

2069
01:12:53,189 --> 01:12:49,679
show today

2070
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:53,199
but no strings attached just free

2071
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:54,880
man it must be nice to sell off your

2072
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:56,320
tech company at the height of the boom

2073
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:58,400
right guys

2074
01:13:01,910 --> 01:12:59,760
i'm just kidding but he put a lot of

2075
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:01,920
work into this project and writing a

2076
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:03,199
book is not easy

2077
01:13:07,590 --> 01:13:05,600
so to put it out for free for you guys

2078
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:07,600
makes it pretty clear that he cares a

2079
01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:09,760
lot more about the subject matter than

2080
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:10,960
he does about the money

2081
01:13:15,189 --> 01:13:13,360
and that's a beautiful thing so this

2082
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:15,199
friday april 30th

2083
01:13:20,550 --> 01:13:18,880
don't sleep on it and as for evil itself

2084
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:20,560
what can i add that hasn't been said

2085
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:21,040
today

2086
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:23,040
he spent an extra 20 minutes with us

2087
01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:24,719
which i thank him for

2088
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:27,280
making a dent in the short show last

2089
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:28,960
week already

2090
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:32,000
but maybe it is all a spectrum on a

2091
01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:34,080
higher level maybe we can act all

2092
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:36,400
enlightened and say it's all experienced

2093
01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:37,600
man

2094
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:39,920
and on your 10 millionth life maybe you

2095
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:41,280
do want to see what it's like

2096
01:13:44,950 --> 01:13:43,520
being born into poverty in a third world

2097
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:44,960
country

2098
01:13:50,870 --> 01:13:48,719
or a psychopath with really deep pockets

2099
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:50,880
but we aren't on a higher level we're on

2100
01:13:54,550 --> 01:13:52,960
this one and i think the reason there is

2101
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:54,560
evil in this world

2102
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:57,679
the reason we have villains is not just

2103
01:14:01,830 --> 01:14:00,000
to acquiesce and say well yeah

2104
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:01,840
the catholic church rapes kids what are

2105
01:14:05,189 --> 01:14:03,040
you gonna do

2106
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:05,199
or corporations have always been evil

2107
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:07,040
can't change it

2108
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:09,520
sure child labor and dangerous mining

2109
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:11,920
operations and factories with suicide

2110
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:13,520
nets on the windows are part of the

2111
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:15,600
process that gets me my cell phone

2112
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:17,280
but how am i gonna get around town

2113
01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:18,960
without google maps or know where the

2114
01:14:23,189 --> 01:14:21,440
best burger is without yelp

2115
01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:23,199
yeah government is a corrupt revolving

2116
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:25,120
door of [\h__\h] might as well throw up

2117
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:27,600
our hands and learn to live with it

2118
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:28,719
i don't think those are the right

2119
01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:31,040
attitudes if this is a learning or

2120
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:34,000
growth process of some kind if there is

2121
01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:36,320
a purpose to life besides getting high

2122
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:37,600
and getting laid

2123
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:39,760
well i think it's to push back against

2124
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:41,600
these forces

2125
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:43,520
and i'm not saying storm the capital we

2126
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:45,520
don't fight violence with violence i

2127
01:14:47,750 --> 01:14:46,960
think that's another lesson in this

2128
01:14:49,510 --> 01:14:47,760
reality

2129
01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:49,520
as gordon has said sometimes you don't

2130
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:52,239
get to fight sauron and all that

2131
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:54,960
but you can push back living by higher

2132
01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:58,159
principles having some self-discipline

2133
01:15:02,390 --> 01:15:00,320
and of course things like making art and

2134
01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:02,400
spreading love all the cheesy hippie

2135
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:02,880
stuff

2136
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:06,239
i think actually has merit i understand

2137
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:08,320
the notion that events on this earthly

2138
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:09,600
plane might just be

2139
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:11,520
some kind of cosmic theater i'm down

2140
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:14,080
with that but when that perspective is

2141
01:15:17,910 --> 01:15:15,440
generally promoted

2142
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:17,920
there's a subtext that i feel i pick up

2143
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:19,120
on sometimes

2144
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:21,360
that insinuates that since it's all

2145
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:22,239
theater

2146
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:24,320
just keep letting the kids in africa

2147
01:15:28,709 --> 01:15:26,400
starve don't worry so much about the

2148
01:15:30,070 --> 01:15:28,719
abused or fixing a problem like human

2149
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:30,080
trafficking

2150
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:31,920
because it's all part of the show the

2151
01:15:36,870 --> 01:15:34,400
range of experience it's all just energy

2152
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:36,880
it's all neutral on a higher level and

2153
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:39,280
let what happens happen

2154
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:41,360
well i don't see it that way if this is

2155
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:44,000
all theater and we're just playing parts

2156
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,080
then you've got to play the part of a

2157
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:48,080
person who pushes back

2158
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:50,560
maybe it's not just theater but it's a

2159
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:53,040
soul school one that doesn't want you to

2160
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:55,120
be apathetic towards evil

2161
01:15:59,669 --> 01:15:57,600
spotting evil is supposed to be a call

2162
01:16:01,750 --> 01:15:59,679
to rise to the occasion not to shrug

2163
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:01,760
your shoulders and say see on the astral

2164
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:03,679
plane where we'll all laugh and hug it

2165
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:04,880
out

2166
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:07,280
it seems to me that the most legendarily

2167
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:09,280
bold and admirable people

2168
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:10,960
have this enlightened sense that the

2169
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:12,800
physical world is not the main game in

2170
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:13,600
town

2171
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:16,480
and that fearlessness allowed them to be

2172
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:18,480
proud of the way they stood up to evil

2173
01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:20,800
or fought back against it

2174
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:23,120
i do my part but how many of our careers

2175
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:25,280
and personal lives are aligned with the

2176
01:16:29,590 --> 01:16:27,040
greater good

2177
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:29,600
even if it's just passive i mean really

2178
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:30,080
i'm just

2179
01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:32,560
tubing down the lazy river of resistance

2180
01:16:36,630 --> 01:16:34,480
and finding what i think is a perfect

2181
01:16:38,229 --> 01:16:36,640
balance for myself between success and

2182
01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:38,239
service

2183
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:40,159
it works for me and my guess is that

2184
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:41,760
there's a way for a lot of people to

2185
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:44,239
make some sort of pivot towards that

2186
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:46,159
and if you're brave enough to try well

2187
01:16:51,910 --> 01:16:48,800
cheers to you it's scary sometimes

2188
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:51,920
that illusion is persistent isn't it

2189
01:16:55,270 --> 01:16:53,920
the lesson is not to just realize it's

2190
01:16:57,030 --> 01:16:55,280
all a game the lesson is

2191
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:57,040
actually to step up to the plate and

2192
01:17:02,630 --> 01:16:59,520
play your part in the game

2193
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:02,640
put that on a t-shirt kids but i think

2194
01:17:06,229 --> 01:17:03,920
that's one of the main

2195
01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:06,239
important layers to alex's inquiry and

2196
01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:07,520
evil

2197
01:17:11,910 --> 01:17:10,159
this acceptance we see from a spiritual

2198
01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:11,920
perspective with the enlightened it's

2199
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:13,520
all consciousness folks

2200
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:16,320
the acceptance of it from the scientific

2201
01:17:20,630 --> 01:17:18,080
perspective where it's just a chemical

2202
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:20,640
imbalance or a sexual preference

2203
01:17:24,229 --> 01:17:22,159
or something that's just part of our

2204
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:24,239
animal instincts

2205
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:26,640
those socially engineered mindsets

2206
01:17:30,070 --> 01:17:28,840
really do get us to accept a lot don't

2207
01:17:31,510 --> 01:17:30,080
they

2208
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:31,520
i mean does the whole thing really need

2209
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:33,679
to be more complicated than

2210
01:17:37,750 --> 01:17:35,679
evil is a force in reality and we're

2211
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:37,760
supposed to resist that force or

2212
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:42,320
at least make an equal amount of good

2213
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:44,640
some people are too dumb to see evil as

2214
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:46,239
evil and they got a lot of lessons to

2215
01:17:49,510 --> 01:17:48,000
learn and they'll be doing this soul

2216
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:49,520
cycle for a long time

2217
01:17:54,149 --> 01:17:52,320
but if you see it and you can't fight it

2218
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:54,159
with brute force you can counter

2219
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:56,880
something like bear monsanto by growing

2220
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:58,880
your own food and encouraging your

2221
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:01,199
neighbors to do a food swap that's

2222
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:03,120
making your whole neighborhood healthier

2223
01:18:05,669 --> 01:18:03,840
happier

2224
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:05,679
and taking money out of the pockets of

2225
01:18:11,590 --> 01:18:08,880
those same forces doing so much damage

2226
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:11,600
be a steward of the people in your small

2227
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:12,960
circle

2228
01:18:16,950 --> 01:18:15,600
this isn't new stuff and you know what

2229
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:16,960
you need to do and you know if you're

2230
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:17,679
doing enough

2231
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:20,560
of it because you can feel it as alex

2232
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:21,679
said somewhere in there

2233
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:23,440
you will be judged but you're the one

2234
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:25,280
doing the judging

2235
01:18:29,350 --> 01:18:27,520
this is probably why that life review

2236
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:29,360
happens and you experience a range of

2237
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:31,120
things from another viewpoint

2238
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:33,120
it just needs to be shown to you and the

2239
01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:36,400
morality of it should be self-evident

2240
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:39,040
it feels like the universe saying you

2241
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:40,080
could have done better

2242
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:41,840
like a loving parent would who might

2243
01:18:46,390 --> 01:18:43,920
just be a little disappointed

2244
01:18:48,630 --> 01:18:46,400
i think you know if you passed or failed

2245
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:48,640
this world is so full of hierarchy it's

2246
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:50,880
hard to avoid that type of thinking that

2247
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:52,880
some supreme being is going to be the

2248
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:54,880
judge jury and executioner

2249
01:18:58,390 --> 01:18:57,280
but i think alex is right in that we do

2250
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:58,400
the judging

2251
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:01,199
and we might be in a situation where we

2252
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:02,640
can't lie to ourselves

2253
01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:04,960
at the end of the game we know how we

2254
01:19:08,709 --> 01:19:07,360
felt we know why we did what we did in

2255
01:19:10,709 --> 01:19:08,719
this life

2256
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:10,719
can elon musk stand up straight at the

2257
01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:12,480
life review and say well i just wanted

2258
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:14,080
to explore the mind and push on the

2259
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:16,000
boundaries of reality i'm not ashamed of

2260
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:16,560
that

2261
01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:18,400
sorry about shipping all those pigs and

2262
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:20,239
monkeys along the way to digitizing the

2263
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:22,239
human brain

2264
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:24,960
i guess only he can answer that but i

2265
01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:26,800
thought this was a good show alex always

2266
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:29,040
flatters me a lot it's very kind of him

2267
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:29,760
but i do

2268
01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:33,040
feel so ignorant and uneducated maybe

2269
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:34,400
it's something like the difference

2270
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:36,000
between wisdom and knowledge

2271
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:37,679
because you can read all the books and

2272
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:39,120
get the degrees

2273
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:42,400
go through the system and get a master's

2274
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:44,159
you're going to know a lot more about

2275
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:46,800
say virology than me

2276
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:48,960
but if you don't factor in greed and

2277
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:51,679
corruption and corporate malfeasance and

2278
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:55,440
basically evil those blind spots

2279
01:19:59,189 --> 01:19:58,080
almost make your whole body of knowledge

2280
01:20:01,510 --> 01:19:59,199
moot

2281
01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:01,520
it's very much the same as what alex

2282
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:03,040
always says about consciousness

2283
01:20:06,550 --> 01:20:04,800
i say about conspiracy look you're

2284
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:06,560
missing this giant piece

2285
01:20:09,910 --> 01:20:08,400
that actually affects everything to

2286
01:20:13,510 --> 01:20:09,920
pretend it's not there

2287
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:13,520
is to miss the boat entirely structural

2288
01:20:17,669 --> 01:20:15,120
engineers can do all the mental

2289
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:17,679
gymnastics and physics calculations they

2290
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:19,600
need to do to convince themselves that

2291
01:20:24,149 --> 01:20:22,320
two planes took down the twin towers

2292
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:24,159
do they know more about structural

2293
01:20:28,709 --> 01:20:26,080
engineering and physics than i do

2294
01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:28,719
of course but what's it all worth if

2295
01:20:32,149 --> 01:20:30,800
they can't wrestle with the concept of a

2296
01:20:34,310 --> 01:20:32,159
false flag and

2297
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:34,320
a coordination between government and

2298
01:20:40,149 --> 01:20:37,280
media to convince the world otherwise

2299
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:40,159
maybe engineering knowledge at a phd

2300
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:41,840
level isn't really what's needed to

2301
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:44,560
figure this one out

2302
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:47,040
anyway as for the plush show we talked a

2303
01:20:50,709 --> 01:20:48,000
lot about the

2304
01:20:51,510 --> 01:20:50,719
various angles and camps and alternative

2305
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:51,520
researchers

2306
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:54,239
on the circuit talking about covid and

2307
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:56,239
it got a bit spicy there too

2308
01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:59,040
because he's not shy about calling out

2309
01:21:02,470 --> 01:21:00,000
ideas he

2310
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:02,480
thinks are stupid or people he thinks

2311
01:21:06,310 --> 01:21:04,400
are flat out wrong

2312
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:06,320
alex said several times that he's not

2313
01:21:10,310 --> 01:21:08,639
afraid to be wrong and he really isn't

2314
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:10,320
it's something i admire about him he's

2315
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:12,719
excited by challenging ideas and having

2316
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:14,800
his own ideas challenged

2317
01:21:18,229 --> 01:21:17,440
and he operates his show from that place

2318
01:21:20,629 --> 01:21:18,239
i say

2319
01:21:22,149 --> 01:21:20,639
he does confrontational interviews but i

2320
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:22,159
don't even think that's the right word

2321
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:23,040
for it

2322
01:21:27,910 --> 01:21:25,280
he's just got his pride so well in check

2323
01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:27,920
that he is totally okay with being wrong

2324
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:28,239
and

2325
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:30,080
assume some of his guests would have

2326
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:31,280
their pride in check

2327
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:33,440
similarly and when they don't that's

2328
01:21:37,590 --> 01:21:35,840
when we get some fireworks

2329
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:37,600
they go out my only two shows that have

2330
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:38,880
had fireworks you know

2331
01:21:42,629 --> 01:21:41,120
ten years and we got one yawn irving and

2332
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:42,639
a steven greer

2333
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:44,880
notice anything similar about these guys

2334
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:46,480
personalities

2335
01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:48,080
do they have their pride and check i'm

2336
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:49,920
not so sure

2337
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:51,679
and it got really good towards the end

2338
01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:53,440
there because when it comes to alex's

2339
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:55,840
background i appreciate and respect his

2340
01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:56,800
experiences

2341
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:59,520
in the business tech venture capital

2342
01:22:02,229 --> 01:22:00,800
space

2343
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,239
and i know he's open to some pretty

2344
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:04,560
radical things but i think he was kind

2345
01:22:09,430 --> 01:22:06,880
of calling me out for being too trusting

2346
01:22:11,669 --> 01:22:09,440
or being naive about this perspective

2347
01:22:13,750 --> 01:22:11,679
that commercial corporate science is not

2348
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:13,760
allowing some of these tesla tech type

2349
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:15,920
people to break through

2350
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:18,239
and i think that he thinks that i might

2351
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:19,920
not be giving enough attention to the

2352
01:22:24,310 --> 01:22:21,840
fact that these guys can be deceptive

2353
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:24,320
and dishonest too

2354
01:22:29,430 --> 01:22:26,320
he's probably right i think we all make

2355
01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:29,440
mistakes but we do what we can right

2356
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:31,520
i'm actually recording an episode with

2357
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:33,920
george wiseman very soon about brown's

2358
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:35,360
gas that i think

2359
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:37,360
is a great illustration of the point i

2360
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:38,719
was making to him that

2361
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:40,480
some scientific discoveries and

2362
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:42,880
technologies are simply off limits in

2363
01:22:46,870 --> 01:22:44,880
the western capitalist corporate

2364
01:22:49,270 --> 01:22:46,880
dominated system

2365
01:22:51,669 --> 01:22:49,280
there are some technological and

2366
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:51,679
scientific roads you cannot go down

2367
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:54,560
venture capital be damned but i still

2368
01:22:57,669 --> 01:22:55,920
think it's a lot of fun to talk about

2369
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:57,679
and to put a finer point on the

2370
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:01,199
plus portion topics we discussed lessons

2371
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:03,360
from being in recovery

2372
01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:05,679
dr tom zinzer and his work with the

2373
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:06,880
spiritual entity

2374
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:09,920
jared plus people who heard that little

2375
01:23:13,270 --> 01:23:10,480
section

2376
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:13,280
will be probably pretty excited to know

2377
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:15,120
that dr tom zinzer

2378
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:18,320
is on the books for thc

2379
01:23:22,709 --> 01:23:21,040
we also talked ted bundy and the state

2380
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:22,719
of our counterculture

2381
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:25,440
alex's thoughts on the range of voices

2382
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:27,520
talking about covet as i said

2383
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:30,000
dr mary's monkey and the story of alton

2384
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:31,600
ochsner

2385
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:34,400
and alex also had some harsh words for

2386
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:35,520
nasim haraming

2387
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:39,280
and i'll leave it at that a lot to like

2388
01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:40,800
curious what you guys think of some of

2389
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:42,960
the bold things said in the second half

2390
01:23:46,870 --> 01:23:44,880
actually sign up for plus if you like

2391
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:46,880
what i do spend your money on things you

2392
01:23:49,510 --> 01:23:47,760
want to grow

2393
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:49,520
and stop spending them on things that

2394
01:23:55,590 --> 01:23:52,960
are propping up the evil in our system

2395
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:55,600
i got a lot of great feedback from my

2396
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:58,560
post andy wakefield show rant

2397
01:24:01,990 --> 01:24:00,480
i wasn't even all that comfortable with

2398
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:02,000
it but it did actually boost

2399
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:04,000
signups quite a bit which is really

2400
01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:06,239
great to see thank you guys so i'll

2401
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:08,320
spare you the speech

2402
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:10,880
but if you can buy plastic [\h__\h] made by

2403
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:12,880
wage slaves in the third world without

2404
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:15,040
passing nearly as much judgment on that

2405
01:24:19,030 --> 01:24:16,719
process as you should

2406
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:19,040
then maybe thc plus isn't where you

2407
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:20,719
should draw the line on

2408
01:24:26,950 --> 01:24:23,760
who gets your support hey i don't know

2409
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:26,960
i'm just saying think about it

2410
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:29,600
nothing but love guys let's be the

2411
01:24:32,470 --> 01:24:30,400
change

2412
01:24:35,030 --> 01:24:32,480
and all that make sure to pick up alex's

2413
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:35,040
book for free this friday on amazon

2414
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:36,960
check out skeptico he does an awesome

2415
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:39,360
job and i'll see you next time

2416
01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:42,239
i've done my part your move evil doers

2417
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:44,320
people screwers and agents of the big

2418
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:45,840
bad machine

2419
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:49,679
your [\h__\h] move

2420
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:52,960
they built a little empire

2421
01:25:00,629 --> 01:24:56,880
out of some crazy garbage

2422
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:00,639
called the blood of the exploited

2423
01:25:03,910 --> 01:25:01,850
working class

2424
01:25:08,070 --> 01:25:03,920
[Music]

2425
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:08,080
but they've overcome their shyness

2426
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:11,760
now we're calling them your highness

2427
01:25:19,110 --> 01:25:15,440
and the world screams save me

2428
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:22,470
they destroyed the bonds of friendship

2429
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:26,400
and respect between the only

2430
01:25:33,510 --> 01:25:30,159
people left who'd even look them

2431
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:37,430
now they laugh and make a fortune

2432
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:41,280
off the same ones that they tortured

2433
01:25:48,229 --> 01:25:44,960
and a world screams save me

2434
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:48,239
thc let's

2435
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:51,760
look for jesus

2436
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:55,199
some will say

2437
01:26:02,550 --> 01:25:58,800
but mr jesus

2438
01:26:06,820 --> 01:26:02,560
is so far away

2439
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:06,830
now you're the only one who

2440
01:26:27,189 --> 01:26:22,790
a little empire out of

2441
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:27,199
some crazy garbage called the blood

2442
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:36,709
but they've overcome their shyness

2443
01:26:48,830 --> 01:26:40,320
now we're calling them your highness